tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17347827.post114161368224759874..comments2024-01-16T16:13:19.628-07:00Comments on Rising Up Whole: Honoring with the truthChristine Bakkehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14262976600427879137noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17347827.post-1142292746419274052006-03-13T16:32:00.000-07:002006-03-13T16:32:00.000-07:00BTW - I'm dead impressed with you, you took my tes...BTW - I'm dead impressed with you, you took my test (and you're one of my newest bluddies) - and got 80 per cent! How did you do it...Scholiasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10219626585108690444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17347827.post-1142074833362180662006-03-11T04:00:00.000-07:002006-03-11T04:00:00.000-07:00Hmm. As a mother of five, statistically I've got a...Hmm. As a mother of five, statistically I've got at least one gay child :) <BR/><BR/>They're very young still, but I truly believe that all I want for them is that they'll be happy. I can't see how they can honour me or my hubby by living a lie?!<BR/><BR/>Hopefully, when they're older, they'll be accepted whatever they are!Scholiasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10219626585108690444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17347827.post-1141956103080277662006-03-09T19:01:00.000-07:002006-03-09T19:01:00.000-07:00My mom pulled this on me when I was younger; I rep...My mom pulled this on me when I was younger; I replied always that the command was to honor my parents, not to be a doormat or not live my own life. I'm sorry you have to think about this. *hug* I hope your parents can come to an understanding. It can't be too soon.CrackerLilohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18176388186521154104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17347827.post-1141717060328762252006-03-07T00:37:00.000-07:002006-03-07T00:37:00.000-07:00I've read stories of horrible childhoods, and not ...I've read stories of horrible childhoods, and not just in the gay community, but the straights who were raised in the most disfunctional homes imaginable, involving physical, mental, and sexual abuse. <BR/><BR/>And it's hard to say to one of them from such a background, that the Bible says you must "honor your father and mother..." and etc.<BR/><BR/>But, at the very least, if one wants to reconcile their interpretation of the commandment (and this is a commandment, not just some ordinance, or statute brought about after the fact to weed out idol worship from male temple cult prostitues) one can still honor their parents for giving them life. Without them, we wouldn't be here.<BR/><BR/>Little comfort to some I suppose, but if the need should arise, honor them for the fact of giving you life, then move on. <BR/><BR/>The Bible also teaches that if you listen to a fool, then you are a bigger fool! Prov 26:6? If your parents are fools then... :::shrug:::Rob7534https://www.blogger.com/profile/17146330168226676675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17347827.post-1141701728055720762006-03-06T20:22:00.000-07:002006-03-06T20:22:00.000-07:00BTW - that comment was meant to correlate with the...BTW - that comment was meant to correlate with the comments about our parents teaching us to be truthful, and here we are being truthful, but it's not the truthful they wanted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17347827.post-1141701634268321572006-03-06T20:20:00.000-07:002006-03-06T20:20:00.000-07:00My fundy mom keeps enclosing these bible verses in...My fundy mom keeps enclosing these bible verses in cards, and they all have to do with God appointing me as a prophet...<BR/><BR/>The weird thing, as queer ppl, I believe we are prophets. Doesn't it seem ironic? She believes of course that I will become a heterosexual married woman who is a prophet someday, I'm guessing, and totally misses how being queer speaks volumes in society.<BR/><BR/>~AliciaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17347827.post-1141681662083831632006-03-06T14:47:00.000-07:002006-03-06T14:47:00.000-07:00In a way I was lucky, both of my parents passed aw...In a way I was lucky, both of my parents passed away before I came out. My brother and his family have been excellent, I couldn’t ask for a better family. They have been totally accepting, they have giving me a shoulder to cry on when I needed it like now.Diana_CThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223056441901730531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17347827.post-1141664135305852142006-03-06T09:55:00.001-07:002006-03-06T09:55:00.001-07:00Mike, great point about the early death rates and ...Mike, great point about the early death rates and how different societies were back then. <BR/><BR/>Christine, beautifully written post, clear, thoughtful and insightful. Thanks for sharing this. <BR/>PetersonPeterson Toscanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18189029949905668568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17347827.post-1141664120222267142006-03-06T09:55:00.000-07:002006-03-06T09:55:00.000-07:00Mike, great point about the early death rates and ...Mike, great point about the early death rates and how different societies were back then. <BR/><BR/>Christine, beautifully written post, clear, thoughtful and insightful. Thanks for sharing this. <BR/>PetersonPeterson Toscanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18189029949905668568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17347827.post-1141621538576930142006-03-05T22:05:00.000-07:002006-03-05T22:05:00.000-07:00In biblical times, thy father and thy mother had a...In biblical times, thy father and thy mother had a 50% chance of being dead by age 30, so it was sort of imperative to squeeze every last bit of wisdom out of them before they moved on to greener pastures (or caused the pastures to be greener, as it were). In those days, the village elders were fairly likely to be people we would consider too young to hold important positions in our society today.<BR/><BR/>So it's really hogwash when people seek to impose biblical imperatives on civil society. Not only have times changed, but those very biblical imperatives have morphed and changed over time. And not only have the texts changed, but the various official interpretations of the texts have changed based on the political will of the various religious sects over time. For a school paper I once identified a change in the official Catholic translation of Leviticus 18:22. The 1978 version said (paraphrasing, but the key words are the same) 'Thou shalt not have commerce with a man as with a woman. It is abomination.' The 1992 text said "Do not have sex with another man. God hates that."<BR/><BR/>My dad grew up in a town where the pentecostal church he attended as a child was at holy war with the pentecostal church across the highway. The only belief they held in common was that the Catholics were certainly going to be the first ones lined up against the wall when Armageddon came. The world view of the fundamentalist is that everyone is going to Hell but the people who believe exactly as they do. And since we live in a world with hundreds of varieties of fundamentalists, they can't all be right. It's either the case that only one of the fundamentalist groups is right and everybody's going to Hell but them (and who gets to decide who is right?), or it's the case that they are all wrong. I vote for the latter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17347827.post-1141620814181558772006-03-05T21:53:00.000-07:002006-03-05T21:53:00.000-07:00I've said the same about my parents: they taught m...I've said the same about my parents: they taught me to value the truth, and now they're reaping the results.<BR/><BR/>They didn't necessarily appreciate the irony, though.Liadanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00553926314903191298noreply@blogger.com